A rational reply Xanthippe but are you suggesting that it can only happen by the chance of disillusionment from within the org or conggregation? Is it not possible to penetrate the emotional anchorage any other way?
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Seduction, psychosis and radicalisation
by Half banana inthe jw delusion is a psychosis i.e.
the holding on to a belief irrespective of sound evidence to the contrary.
it has everything to do with the indulgent pleasure of embracing an all encompassing idea which promises to resolve every human frailty and inconvenience.
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Seduction, psychosis and radicalisation
by Half banana inthe jw delusion is a psychosis i.e.
the holding on to a belief irrespective of sound evidence to the contrary.
it has everything to do with the indulgent pleasure of embracing an all encompassing idea which promises to resolve every human frailty and inconvenience.
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The JW delusion is a psychosis i.e. the holding on to a belief irrespective of sound evidence to the contrary.
It has everything to do with the indulgent pleasure of embracing an all encompassing idea which promises to resolve every human frailty and inconvenience. It is a panacea, a short cut to gaining perpetual bliss. If you haven’t got much in this world and it doesn’t look like you are going anywhere then the JW paradise could be very seductive. With little to lose, you might think you have everything to gain.
It is the very act of grasping and holding on to this concept, believing it to be an absolute certainty, against the odds; which yields the emotional security JWs desire. It is the reason why even the slightest counter information will raise the hackles in the believer, not because it intellectually challenges the truthfulness of the JW dogma but because it challenges the fundamental emotional security of the individual. Truth and evidence are irrelevant to this state of mind. It is too late if the believer has already been ‘programmed’ by the WT propaganda by participating in the cult-affirming rituals of listening to the elders and obeying the rules with like-minded worshippers. The mind and heart have been radicalised.
The big question is how can JWs or for that matter any other religious person be de-radicalised?
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Baiting Dubs for fun and amusement
by TerryWalstrom injw: "wha-a-a-t?
mormon: "okay.
other jw: "that's just .
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Entertaining post Terry, the Mormons probably have instruction on how to interact naturally and sociably with others. A difference between the two belief systems it seems, is that the JW when at the doors is driven to oppose contradictory teachings and with the Mormons they want to gain the confidence of the other party.
It would however be of no use if the Witnesses were taught to be more courteous and diplomatic since their message is still paranoid...and of course the Mormon dream is by no means less delusional for that matter.
May the openness of the internet triumph and cultic belief atrophy.
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"So did the Holy Spirit get it wrong?"
by stuckinarut2 inin the australian royal commission, the issue of appointment of ministerial servants and elders came up for intense scrutiny.. using the elders books and society publication references, the prosecution questioned the premise that "holy spirit directs appointments".
the question was proposed as to whether this "process was accurate or was it flawed" seeing as many appointed ones were in fact not very righteous, or "spiritual".
indeed, the issue about "spirituality" was also raised, and the definition of what makes someone "spiritually mature" in the organisation's eyes was raised.
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Vidiot, yeah they may not show it but for goodness sake I hope some of them wake up from their complacency and realise how people are hurting as a result of the Watchtower using useless Bible precedents to resolve serious problems. The JW org is now under the world's spotlight and they don't look good. -
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"So did the Holy Spirit get it wrong?"
by stuckinarut2 inin the australian royal commission, the issue of appointment of ministerial servants and elders came up for intense scrutiny.. using the elders books and society publication references, the prosecution questioned the premise that "holy spirit directs appointments".
the question was proposed as to whether this "process was accurate or was it flawed" seeing as many appointed ones were in fact not very righteous, or "spiritual".
indeed, the issue about "spirituality" was also raised, and the definition of what makes someone "spiritually mature" in the organisation's eyes was raised.
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It's when fairyland Jdubs meet reality. But in their own tiny minds they are not facing the facts instead they are probably glowing with pride at being "persecuted"...spare us! -
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Wakey wakey Jehovah's Witnesses! Your real world is being exposed
by Half banana inthe posts here are flooding in on the subject of the watchtowers toleration of sexual abuse being publicised in the world media.
sure they print and say its wrong like everyone else does but what their policies show above all is the lack of genuine, humane care and considerate welfare for its members.
there must be so many voiceless jw victims and perhaps now they can speak out..
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And indeed Umberto, they are isolationist ‘cos they think they are holy...stupid fools! Will they concede that the Biblical injunction of two witnesses was the wrong method? And will they start having some consideration for the feelings and welfare of their flock? If they do, it will be for the first time that they think of others beyond themselves.
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Wakey wakey Jehovah's Witnesses! Your real world is being exposed
by Half banana inthe posts here are flooding in on the subject of the watchtowers toleration of sexual abuse being publicised in the world media.
sure they print and say its wrong like everyone else does but what their policies show above all is the lack of genuine, humane care and considerate welfare for its members.
there must be so many voiceless jw victims and perhaps now they can speak out..
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The posts here are flooding in on the subject of the Watchtower’s toleration of sexual abuse being publicised in the world media. Sure they print and say its wrong like everyone else does but what their policies show above all is the lack of genuine, humane care and considerate welfare for its members. There must be so many voiceless JW victims and perhaps now they can speak out.
The thrust of the publishing religion is to make money by pretending to be a squeaky clean preaching business. It is happy to dispense what they imagine is divine wisdom from the Bible as if it can be the only recipe for resolving problems. Here lies its weakness and the downfall of the JW org. Both it and the Bible are out of date and recklessly misleading people.
By insisting on the Biblical “two witnesses” they invoke mockery for being foolish and literal when two witnesses are never normally present when sexual abuse takes place. However to deny the Biblical method goes against the grain of their teachings and if they stubbornly put their own literalist dogma ahead of compassion and the law they will invite censure and ridicule. The Bible is hereby shown to be very deficient in the matter of regulating sex offenders. And the Watchtower maintains an air of authority by not compromising.
Doesn’t this show how much of a bind the JW org is in? Will they compromise?
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Satan Changing Evidence AGAIN!
by notsurewheretogo ini see satan is at it again....a human tooth found in france is dated as being 560,000 years old...obvious nonsense since humans have only been on this planet 6,000 years ago...how will people ever find "the troof" if he keeps doing this?.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/28/french-archaeologist-finds-tooth-dating-560000-years-tautavel?.
i actually kept track of all the evidence there is for the 6,000 years nonsense when i started my fade years ago but quickly gave up...far too much of it..
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No it must have 560 years and the zero got stuck on the keyboard!
Actually I do wonder how there can be any fundamentalists in France as the country is so rich in prehistoric finds. Not just in the Pyrenees at Tautavel (from which place already comes a wonderful skeleton around 450,000 years old) but especially the region around Lez Eyzies in the Dordogne which is noted as the capital of prehistory. The museum there should convince anyone that the genus Homo has a very long pedigree reaching back into the remote past.
I reckon that the archaeology of French prehistory is a definitive damning of the Bible as literal truth. How can French witnesses live with themselves? I suppose in a bubble with blinkers and ear plugs.
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Going to a bad place when i die
by 060702015 ini've thought and said too much to ever gain jehovahs forgiveness and love if i want to be a christian again.
i made a topic on my unforgivable sin and blaspemy of the holy spirit.. i feel saddness everyday having no relationship with god, no religion and fear of the afterlife.
even when i was kid i feared death and the end of the world.
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Half banana
060 Well done for posting, you sound like one unhappy bunny and I sympathise with you. When I was a JW I always felt sad and nervous but when I realised that I had no obligation to the Watchtower org and learned that the Bible is not what is seems, I felt free. I now live very happily without knowing or worshipping any god. Although you are feeling bad at the moment believe me there is another way in which you will be able to be happy again.
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The identifiable reasons the Jehovah's Witnesses religion is a cult.
by Finkelstein inthis topic or debate has arisen a few times so, i thought it would be prudent to make an honest evaluation upon that statement.. if one reflects back on the history of this organization one can see how the leaders of this organization enforced or instilled it rules of conduct and rules of avowed allegiance to the those specific leaders, keeping in mind how j rutherford's forceful tactic to take over the organization upon c t russell's death.. j rutherford, the past president of the wts and the one that created the name jehovah's' witnesses ruled over the (his) organization with a strong arm, anyone who questioned his personal behavior, not only his doctrinal teachings were given the boot or dfed as its commonly known .
one particular documented instance ........ .
on october 7, 1940, olin r. moyle, formerly of the jehovah's witness legal staff met with joseph rutherford and several members of the watch tower board of directors in court.
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Half banana
Thanks for posting this Phizzy and good on you Lennyinbluemont.
Fink, I reckon that the key to all cultic behaviour is to elevate the leadership presented through a powerful propaganda machine. The claim made by cults is that the governance, though human is under divine enlightenment and if you play your cards right; you too will get a piece of the action.
A set of doctrines are built around this idea and every propaganda utterance reinforces the leader’s vision which are given to the grateful followers. Just analysing a paragraph or perhaps even a sentence in the Watchtower magazine exemplifies this. Objectivity is thrown out of the window and the reader settles down to absorb gobbledegook. A special language develops with words having new and specific meanings for the insiders only, which strengthens the identity of the cult. It makes for an esoteric “truth” which only the initiates or baptised can know. An identity which the hapless follower cherishes since it gives them an exclusive identity too, it helps them to see who they are; a slave of their heavenly lord...though in practice this work is for the aggrandisement of the leadership.. To work like this in the company of like minded colleagues encourages a sense of purpose because if others are doing it, then it must be ok mustn’t it?
What a trap for the poorly informed? What a disaster for those investing their hopes in doomsday cults like the Watchtower org?